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DaOneEnOnly
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The Original Problem:

I have got two xbox 360's and I can only get one to go open NAT, by port forwarding UDP 88, TCP and UDP 3074. The problem lately is that all the sudden it's not allowing my second xbox 360 online anymore. Now that its summer I said that I was going to try to get both Xbox 360s to have Open NAT. (Before it was one Open and one Strict). I tried setting up a DMZ, but you can only send it to one Xbox at a time. When I portforward and do a DMZ (which create open NAT when used by themselves) it creates two Strict NAT.

My router is a WRT54G
My DSL modem is a Siemens SpeedStream 6520
The modem has its wireless function turned off...
The Router has WEP protection enabled b/c the WPA cuts the range too short so I couldn' t connect wirelessly.
UPnP is off b/c it interfers with just portfowarding and/ or DMZ increasing the NAT level to Moderate.
IF anyone can help me plz do.

Thx
DaOneEnOnly


The Solution: (for those who don't want to read to post 3):smileywink:

Alright I fixed the problem.... here's some advice for future ppl that come here with a similar problem.

For the guy who tried I appreciate it, the thing is that the WRT54G does support multiple devices as long as you have the UPnP on. The reason I was having trouble was b/c I never tried this config after I received a new modem.(B/c the first one was giving me NAT problems)

-If you're having network problems or in other words don't have open NAT bring a TV and xbox (preferably a 360 b/c it is easier to diagnose with) up to your internet modem. Hook up the xbox directly to the internet modem and see if your network problems are gone. If they are then its your router that's causing the problems, if not then its the modem and you need to contact your ISP for a new one that is recommended as a compatible device by xbox/Microsoft Compatible Devices ISP(Internet Service Providers) usually will try to troubleshoot the problem, just stick with it until they give up and send out another modem.

- Verify that your router is compatible, if it is it most likely can route multiple devices (like two xbox 360s) If it isn't compatible, replace it with one from the list Compatible Devices

- If it is compatible and you have UPnP you want to enabled UPnP and make sure that the port forwarding and DMZ functions on your router off b/c they'll interfere with it. You can access your router by using its IP address. If you don't know it then look it up from the company that you bought your router from. (Here is some common ones and ideas one how to find an IP address out Linksys routers are usually 192.168.1.1) Also make sure that your xbox configures its IP address automatically as well as it DNS sever. (so use all automatic options on your xbox)

- If the UPnP isn't working and you only need to network in one xbox, then use port forwarding of UDP 88 TCP 3074 UDP 3074. (the xbox live ports) In this case you have to assign an IP address to your xbox. The one that you assign depends on what router you own. (Linksys users usually assign 192.168.1.101) You can't network two xboxes this way.

- IF that doesn't work then you could try the DMZ, but I don't recommend it.

Most likely you will have fixed your network problems after the first two suggestions, but if you don't you can post here for help.

Also it isn't a bad idea to call tech support lines, but sometimes they aren't very helpful... hopefully the most help you get will be from me... But you can also try posting on The xbox.com tech support forums. I also tried posting on my router company's forums, but they weren't very helpful...

Good Luck
DaOne

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What you want is impossible through NAT. With NAT all devices connected to the LAN share a single public IP address. This single IP address is the router which has a single set of ports for this IP address. There is only one port UDP 88, UDP 3074 and TCP 3074.

Due to the NAT mapping the router must find out where to send incoming traffic from the internet in your LAN. Usually this happens by matching incoming traffic with outgoing traffic before. When a computer sends something out the router will accept the response for a certain time frame. But this only works for traffic which is initiated from the inside.

To allow outside initiated traffic (i.e. from the internet) you need port forwarding because otherwise the router does not know where to send traffic to port 88 in your LAN. As the router has only a single IP address and a single port 88 you can only configure one port forwarding for port 88. That's it.

The DMZ host accepts incoming traffic on all ports for which there is no port forwarding. If you have port forwarding for port 88 the DMZ computer will receive all traffic on all ports except port 88. Port 88 will be forwarded as defined in the port forwardings.

Therefore, with a single public IP address you are limited in the options for port forwarding. The only option you may have is to modify the ports your second xbox uses. If it is possible to use other ports you can define a scond set of forwardings on different ports for the second xbox. However, I guess this won't help you because noone in the internet knows that your second xbox uses different ports...
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Thx for the input...
 
But are you basically saying that I need another router? or is that still impossible to do? OR do I have to get two internet  connections?
 
I'll try to see if xbox live has any other ports that it accepts, but I don't think they are any.
 
Anyway Thx for the help
DaOne

 

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Alright I fixed the problem.... here's some advice for future ppl that come here with a similar problem.

For the guy who tried I appreciate it, the thing is that the WRT54G does support multiple devices as long as you have the UPnP on. The reason I was having trouble was b/c I never tried this config after I received a new modem.(B/c the first one was giving me NAT problems)

-If you're having network problems or in other words don't have open NAT bring a TV and xbox (preferably a 360 b/c it is easier to diagnose with) up to your internet modem. Hook up the xbox directly to the internet modem and see if your network problems are gone. If they are then its your router that's causing the problems, if not then its the modem and you need to contact your ISP for a new one that is recommended as a compatible device by xbox/Microsoft Compatible Devices ISP(Internet Service Providers) usually will try to troubleshoot the problem, just stick with it until they give up and send out another modem.

- Verify that your router is compatible, if it is it most likely can route multiple devices (like two xbox 360s) If it isn't compatible, replace it with one from the list Compatible Devices

- If it is compatible and you have UPnP you want to enabled UPnP and make sure that the port forwarding and DMZ functions on your router off b/c they'll interfere with it. You can access your router by using its IP address. If you don't know it then look it up from the company that you bought your router from. (Here is some common ones and ideas one how to find an IP address out Linksys routers are usually 192.168.1.1) Also make sure that your xbox configures its IP address automatically as well as it DNS sever. (so use all automatic options on your xbox)

- If the UPnP isn't working and you only need to network in one xbox, then use port forwarding of UDP 88 TCP 3074 UDP 3074. (the xbox live ports) In this case you have to assign an IP address to your xbox. The one that you assign depends on what router you own. (Linksys users usually assign 192.168.1.101) You can't network two xboxes this way.

- IF that doesn't work then you could try the DMZ, but I don't recommend it.

Most likely you will have fixed your network problems after the first two suggestions, but if you don't you can post here for help.

Also it isn't a bad idea to call tech support lines, but sometimes they aren't very helpful... hopefully the most help you get will be from me... But you can also try posting on The xbox.com tech support forums. I also tried posting on my router company's forums, but they weren't very helpful...

Good Luck
DaOne

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O.K. bottom line is you have to enable UPnP on the router with no other port forwardings or DMZ settings and then it works for multiple 360s in the LAN? Correct?

Sidenote: if you assign a static IP address to any device in a LAN you should always avoid to assign an IP address which the DHCP server uses. The DHCP server on Linksys routers by default assigns 192.168.1.100-149 to DHCP clients. Therefore do not use any address in side this range (e.g. 192.168.1.101) as static IP address on a device. Otherwise you may run into IP address conflicts if the DHCP server assigns the IP address to another device and suddenly two devices have the same IP address. Thus, use IP addresses 192.168.1.2-99 and 150-254 for static IP addresses on a Linksys router LAN with default DHCP server settings.
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This is all correct, including the static IP address, which I found out the hard way

 

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Greetings DaOneEnOnly!
 
Were you able to get both Xbox 360s w/open NAT via this solution?  Im trying to do the exact same thing w/the exact same router....one xbox always has open the other moderate, and it causes some issues with connectivity on Live as well as sporadic xbox live voice issues.
 
And also what version are you running on linksys
 
thanks!

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dude you don't need to be so formal.... but anyway make sure you read and try the above tips that I posted... v3.03.9 is the version I'm using.

Also Something that might not be above... but make sure that your Xboxes are doing all the IP and DNS is all Automatically. Another thing that isn't up their is that I'm using two linksys wireless-G game adapters, but that shouldn't make a difference since they're just a vessel.

the only other thing you can do is read the above, make sure UPnP is on, and DMZ and port forwarding are off. That should be good for your router.
 

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Thanks DaOneEnOnly, worked like a charm!  Both XBOX 360s now have open NAT and there are no voice problems via Xbox Live.  Thanks a bunch, it was seriously ticking me off!!!
 
The only problem this caused was with some PC application and games I host.  Which is why I had assigned IPs.  Not that big of a deal, just whenever I have to reboot the modem and router, I just have to remember to turn everything back on in the house in sequence in order to keep the .XXX numbers in the port-forwarding rules the same.  lol.
 
Also, GV - thanks for the tip on the IP addresses.  I now have the router start assigning #s starting at .150 and above.
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Yeah man no problem, After I spent two weeks or something like that trying to figure it out. I wanted to make sure anyone else that was resourceful enough to check here didn't spend too long trying to figure it out. Glad you figured it out. This router and modem NAT Stuff is tricky.
 

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